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Frequently Asked Questions Regarding Darwin Fish and the Pistol-Packing Cult Known as "A True Church"

by Phil Johnson (phil@spurgeon.org)
Updated February 2014

DARWIN FISH is his real name. He has nothing to do with those little plastic symbols atheists and humanists like to put on their cars. He is a real person who has started a dangerous cult that is no joke. If you're outside his group and profess to be a Christian, he will tell you you are deceived. If you accept the teaching of any other Christian leader besides him, he'll tell you you are being ushered into hell. He emblazons that message on practically everything he touches—on his Web site, his car, his followers, and even his kids. He publishes rambling diatribes—some attacking others, some advocating bizarre home-brew "Bible" doctrines. Darwin clearly does not believe anyone but Darwin Fish is faithfully teaching the truth of God's Word.
    In one of his early replies to this FAQ, Darwin claimed that is "simply a bold-faced lie." But Darwin's own FAQ now concedes the point. He admits he cannot name one other Christian leader outside his own little band of followers—anyone who has lived in the two millennia between the death of the last apostle and the advent of Darwin Fish—who has remained faithful to the truth. In a post made to a Web forum on October 04, 2002, Darwin's one-time chief lackey, Al Soto, succinctly stated the central belief of all Fishites: "Yes, if you do not believe like we do and follow our doctrine you can not be saved."
    In 2002, Darwin changed the name of his group from "God's Word Fellowship" to "A True Church"—employing the indefinite pronoun to obscure a disturbing fact: Darwin and his followers cannot identify any other "true church"—not a single one—in nineteen hundred years of church history! (Well, there may have been "a church in Murfreesboro, TN, but that has since dissolved.") As far as the Fishites know, the light of truth has been utterly obscured in Christendom from the close of the New Testament canon until the sun finally dawned again on their leader—Darwin Fish.
    Darwin was not always such a strict loner. At one point Darwin was a follower of Rick Miesel, a similarly-obsessed accuser of well-known evangelicals. But the two of them split over the question of whether Martin and Deidre Bobgan should be regarded as hell-bound heretics. (Fish said yes; Miesel balked. So Fish declared Miesel a false teacher, too.)
    I have received a number of requests from people who have seen Darwin's material on line and would like a response to it. I stress that this is not an official response from my church to Darwin Fish; the church's official response is already a matter of record (see below). But this is my attempt to gather the most frequently-asked questions about Darwin and his "ministry" into one document for easy reference:

  1. Is "Darwin Fish" truly his real name?
  2. What is this group that labels themselves "A True Church" and where is it?
  3. What is the gist of Darwin's unique message?
  4. Does anyone take Darwin Fish seriously?
  5. Does the group pose a real danger to life and limb, like the Branch Davidians, People's Temple, or the Heaven's Gate cult?
  6. What are the doctrinal peculiarities of Darwin's teaching? Does he deny the deity of Christ or anything like that?
  7. In what sense is Darwin "factious?"
  8. Is it true that Darwin received pastoral training under John MacArthur?
  9. But Darwin has produced a letter where John MacArthur endorsed his ministry in 1993. How do you explain that?
  10. Darwin claims he was disciplined unbiblically. Is this true?
  11. Darwin claims he has never been shown where he was in error, and that the elders of Grace Church failed in their responsibility to reprove him "with great patience and instruction" (2 Tim. 4:2, NASB). Wasn't he disciplined rather quickly?
  12. Don't you have a duty as an elder to give a biblical refutation of Darwin's doctrine (Titus 1:9)?
  13. Is Darwin wrong about everything?
  14. Who was Al Soto?
  15. What was "The Sojournal"?
  16. Darwin and Al claim their Web site exposes Phil Johnson as a liar and a deceiver. How do you respond?
  17. What is the Fishmobile?
  18. What happens if I call the toll-free number?
  19. Where can I find out more about the Fish cult?
  20. Can I have permission to reprint and distribute parts of this FAQ in order to warn people about Darwin and his cult?
  21. What about your written correspondence with Darwin?

  1. Is "Darwin Fish" truly his real name?


  2. What is this group that labels themselves "A True Church" and where is it?

    It began as a small house-church cult founded by Darwin in Southern California in the early 1990s. Around 2008-09 cult headquarters moved to a remote spot between Peggs, OK and Moodys, in a rural area about fifteen miles north of Talequah. From the mid-1990s until 2008, their headquarters were in Lake Hughes, California (a remote community near the desert about an hour north of downtown Los Angeles). In 2002, they changed the name of their sect from "God's Word Fellowship" to "A True Church." They now boast some 50 members, but that's a generous count. The whole church comprises just a handful of families. Darwin and his flock believe they represent the only known gathering of genuine believers anywhere. Though they sometimes vehemently deny they are really that exclusive, they cannot identify a single other church or Christian leader—from the early church until today—whom they would be willing to fellowship with as brethren. Furthermore, they lose members almost as rapidly as they gain new ones, because any and every picayune disagreement with Darwin's teaching is ultimately judged damnable heresy.
        Members of Darwin's group often use the Lord's Day as an occasion to picket and disrupt other churches, thus magnifying the shameful public reproach they have already brought on the name of Christ. They also like to picket large public events (especially evangelical gatherings) with signs and slogans contrived to be as offensive as possible. For years, Fish and his minions walked the parade route in front of the Tournament of Roses Parade carrying signs extolling God's anger and claiming Jesus "caused" the events of 11 September 2001.

    Darwin Fish parades his false christ at the Tournament of Roses
    Darwin Fish parades his false christ at the Tournament of Roses.
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        The group also apparently "evangelizes" by leaving ugly graffiti here and there. Click here to see a sample.

  3. What is the gist of Darwin's unique message?

    Darwin's favorite theme is condemning other pastors and church leaders—especially well-known ones. He solemnly assures people they will go to hell if they follow other teachers besides him. Here is a typical excerpt from one of the familiar screeds Darwin has published in various Internet discussion forums:

    If you follow any of the men below you are (John 10:5). Watch out! Most churches are led by false teachers (2 Timothy 3:1-5; 4:3; 2 Peter 2:1-3). John MacArthur, Greg Laurie, Dave Hunt, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Neil Anderson, Charles Swindoll, Chuck Smith, James Dobson, Jack Hayford, Martin and Deidre Bobgan (et. al.). Also erroneous are the "Early Church Fathers" (Catholic lies), Charles Spurgeon (ecumenical), KJV onlyism, Alcoholics Anonymous, Christian Psychology, Biblical Counseling, and certain holidays (e.g. Christmas). Call or write for FREE facts (Psalm 119:104).

    Translation: follow Darwin Fish, or you will go to hell. Darwin denies that he is that exclusive, but the point is easily proved. Simply accept Darwin's invitation to call his toll-free hotline: 1-800-HOW-TRUE. (If you get the answering machine, either call back later or leave a number where Darwin can return your call.) Then when you get Darwin on the phone personally, ask him this simple question: "Can you recommend one other pastor—either someone living now or a known historical figure since, say, A.D. 100—who is sound enough that you can vouch for his books or tapes?" You'll discover that the only teachers Darwin Fish will endorse are Darwin Fish and a handful of his inner-circle lackeys. Name any other preacher or Bible teacher, and Darwin will tell you that pastor's doctrine is an express ticket to perdition.
        There's a clear reason for this. Darwin Fish hates Christianity, so he designed his own religion.
        Being self-deceived, he thinks that is a false accusation. He insists he hates only false Christianity. But if you ask him to name any living or dead representatives of true Christianity after the apostolic era, he will have to admit that outside his own little cult of followers he does not know of any "true" Christians (by his definition). And if you decline to follow him on every single point of doctrine, Darwin will declare you a false Christian, too.
        Darwin does not even see that this is the very height of arrogance, even though he once admitted to me that many people have told him he exudes carnal pride. Darwin obviously finds it easy to dismiss such criticisms, because he has already concluded that anyone who disagrees with him is a hell-bound heretic anyway. Thus he has hardened his heart against any real correction.

  4. Does anyone take Darwin Fish seriously?

    About 35 to 50 devoted followers certainly do; several of them followed him from California to Oklahoma, and anyone who remains with the group must do his bidding in every detail of life. Now and then an eccentric Internet denizen will read Fish's Web site and e-mail me some inspired rantings defending Darwin's views. But these people invariably find that if they are not willing literally to abandon their lives and families and join the cult, they soon will be on the receiving end of Darwin's anathemas, too. So at the moment, his actual following remains mercifully small.
        As noted above, self-styled "discernment" expert Rick Miesel once placed his coveted imprimatur on Darwin Fish. In 1994 Fish and Miesel were making plans to start a church together near Miesel's home in Indiana. But then Darwin began declaring Miesel a false teacher. For years after that, Meisel shamefully attempted to deny any and all responsibility for his early influence on Fish. The truth, of course, punctured the illusion of Miesel as some kind of skilled "expert" in ferreting out cranks and false teachers, so he desperately tried to expunge evidence revealing that he had ever been affiliated with Darwin Fish.
        But it is a simple matter of fact that Mr. Fish began his career as a disciple of Miesel. They were kindred spirits. Miesel's own list of "false teachers" was better known than—and nearly as long as—Fish's. But the main conviction they shared in common is precisely why they could not remain friends very long. Both believed there is no such thing as a minor or secondary point of truth; all truth is ultimately essential and fundamental. Both men therefore made their own personal judgment the final arbiter for any disputed doctrinal or hermeneutical fine-points. Predictably, when they found something—anything—on which they could not come to agreement, they responded by anathematizing one another.
        Both men were also incorrigible, impervious to rebuke or correction. Darwin Fish insists this too is a false accusation, citing as proof a list of his own tapes that he has withdrawn from circulation. But an examination of the list reveals that most of Fish's "recanting" consists of retracting positive comments he made years ago about the Puritans, Charles Spurgeon, John MacArthur, or Martin and Deidre Bobgan. Darwin now says all of them are hell-bound heretics. The rest of his "retractions" are either standard orthodox doctrines he has dumped in favor of his own novel opinions—or else trivial and silly corrections, such as one tape that was withdrawn because "Darwin felt he could have dealt with the subject of flatulence in a more mature manner." Rather than demonstrating his willingness to recant error, the list of no-longer-available tapes proves that Darwin Fish cannot distinguish between that which is vital and that which is trivial. The only substantive changes he has ever made to his teaching have taken him away from the historic and biblical Christian faith. In other words, even his list of "retractions" demonstrates that he is devising a cultish system no one before him has ever been able to find in the Scriptures.
        Despite Darwin Fish's bold claims that he speaks as a "pastor," he is actually an excommunicated layman who remains under the discipline of the church he attended before he founded his own cult. This fact should be carefully borne in mind by anyone tempted to give credence to his accusations against godly men. See Matthew 18:17; Romans 16:17.

  5. Does the group pose a real danger to life and limb, like the Branch Davidians, People's Temple, or the Heaven's Gate cult?

    Who knows? In September 2013 a group of Darwin's daughters and other followers caused a stir in Missouri when they all went into a Walmart store wearing sidearms. Guns, Bible-twisting religious fanaticism, and copious amounts of beer and wine are a sure-fire recipe for trouble—especially when the mixture is seasoned by perverse dogmas that glorify hate. Marry that whole mess with the rabidly anti-law-enforcement conspiracy-theory-driven gun obsession seen on certain members' FaceBook pages and YouTube channels, and the potential for mischief is unsettling indeed.

    Left to right: Qadoshyah Fish, Hannah Young, and Suriyah Fish.
    Cult members' daughters packing pistols in Wal-Mart's candy aisle.

  6. What are the doctrinal peculiarities of Darwin's teaching? Does he deny the deity of Christ or anything like that?

    Darwin keeps multiplying the bizarre novelties in his poisonous home-brew theology. Here are a few outstanding ones:

        Darwin attacks doctrine of the Trinity with an odd and unusual do-it-yourself doctrine of the Godhead. Here is a section from the The Sojournal, VOL. 1, NO. 3, JULY 1995:

         This is a HOT one! The Bible NEVER uses this term, and typically how
    this term is used today, it falls short of what is revealed in the Word of
    God about who God is.
         It is true that there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as
    God, Matthew 28:19-20. It is true that God is plural in person hood,
    Genesis 1:26-27; 11:7-8; Isaiah 48:16.
         But, the word that "Christianity" (starting with the early church
    fathers and the Catholics) has used to describe Him (i.e. the "Trinity")
    falls short in what is revealed in the seven Spirits of God in Revelation.
    Please see Revelation 1:4-5; 4:5; 5:6; & Zechariah 4:1-10. There are seven
    spirits describing the Holy Spirit clearly portrayed in Scripture.
         Typically, these seven are brushed aside by preachers today as the
    seven-manifold manifestations of the Holy Spirit (read the commentaries on
    the Revelation passages above). If we simply take the Bible for what it
    says (take God at His word), we see that the Holy Spirit is described in
    Revelation and Zechariah as seven. Just as there is only one God, yet we
    have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (plural in who He is). There is one
    Spirit (Ephesians 4:4), yet in describing this one Holy Spirit the Bible
    reveals Him to be seven (plural in who He is). This is definitely hard to
    understand, but nonetheless this is what the Word reveals (Romans
    11:33-36).  More on this can be heard on the tapes, Jesus, 100% Man, 100%
    God, and For The Record, Part 1.

    Humanistic Theism
        Darwin also teaches a bizarre doctrine claiming on the basis of Exodus 15:3 ("The Lord is a man of war; the Lord is His name") that God is actually human, and that the Almighty exists in a physical body "in human form." We wonder if someday Darwin will encounter Psalm 18:31 ("who is a rock, except our God?") and declare that God is an inanimate man of stone. How then will he fit Psalm 84:11 ("the Lord God is a sun") into his hyper-literal hermeneutic?

    A Different Gospel
        Darwin overthrows the gospel by implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) denying the doctrine of justification by faith alone (sola fide). In his message "Blessed are the Poor" (preached 2 May 1996) he taught that literally selling all one's unneeded possessions is a prerequisite for entering the kingdom of God. While occassionally giving lip service to justification by faith (see letter 2 below), Darwin regularly qualifies and adds to the terms of salvation, so that when he is finished, "grace is no more grace" (Romans 11:6). In practical terms for Darwin's followers, the true cost of "salvation" boils down to this: you must do precisely what he tells you and agree with everything he says. If you step out of agreement with him at any point and are unwilling to be "corrected," you will be branded a hell-bound heretic who has "played the harlot." In fact, he believes if you turn away after hearing the "truth" from him or his group, you have committed the unpardonable sin. Thus he employs craven fear to try to keep his disciples in the group.

    Excessive Authoritarianism
        Many (if not all) of Darwin's disciples regard his authority as apostolic. We have heard from a former member of the "fellowship" that Darwin's long-time henchman, Al Soto, insisted Darwin's teaching authority was equal in authority to that of the Apostle Paul. (Al has since abandoned that opinion, apparently. By all accounts he left the group sometime after making the move with Darwin to Oklahoma.) Meanwhile, Darwin insists on the right to examine his disciples' private mail—in order to make sure they are "walking in the light."
        Also, more than one eyewitness has told us Darwin is extremely brutal in his application of "the rod" to his own children—and encourages his followers to do likewise. In an on-line discussion on these matters, one cult member cited Proverbs 20:30 ("The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly"), suggesting that proper spanking ought to leave bruises on a child. Shortly afterward, an anonymous Fishite (whose misspellings looked suspiciously like Al Soto's) chimed in, citing Proverbs 23:13-14 ("Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."). He declared: "Beat, is just that, beat. You can not get around it."
        Judging from the stress Darwin puts on this aspect of parenting in his teaching, he certainly has an unwholesome preoccupation with rigorous corporal punishment. People who have left the cult, as well as some who have had relatives join, tell us that men in the group are even encouraged to "discipline" their wives with physical punishment.
        In fact, according to Darwin, "The reason women even exist is not so that they can be independent entities. The reason they exist is so that they can help men." Furthermore, Darwin says, "It doesn't matter if the husband is a believer or not (1 Peter 3:1), the wife is still to submit to him, even if he beats her."
        At least one member of the Fish cult abandoned his wife and infant child because the wife did not want to move to Lake Hughes. The man's own mother says that in a year's time, he paid only about $40 in child support for his own child, while giving regular "offerings" that went to support Darwin Fish and his family. Apparently, the men in Darwin's cult think they can safely ignore 1 Peter 3:7 ("You husbands likewise, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with a weaker vessel, since she is a woman; and grant her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered") and 1 Timothy 5:8 ("If any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel")—especially if the wife refuses to follow the husband into the cult.

    Polygamy and Concubinage
        A few years ago Darwin published an article justifying polygamy and the keeping of concubines. He points out that polygamy was a fairly common practice in Old Testament times, and he claims "the Lord never condemns the practice."
        That is quite wrong; an implicit condemnation of polygamy is undeniably clear in the Bible's first description of God's plan for marriage in Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they [two] shall be one flesh" (Ephesians 5:31). But Darwin pretends that the principle of two becoming one flesh is in no way compromised by polygynous relationships. He writes:

    Whether it be in a monogamous marriage or a polygamous marriage, the two still become one flesh. The man becomes one flesh with each of his wives. We know this by the fact that even if a man has sex with a harlot, he nonetheless becomes one flesh with her (1 Corinthians 6:16). Therefore, the two becoming one still applies to each union in a polygamous marriage.

        One frankly wonders how this belief will work out in practical terms among the Fishites. Darwin's article seems to imply that he would not advocate polygamy in any society where bigamy is forbidden by law. He says,
    If the law of the land dictates polygamy not to be legal, then we are to submit ourselves "to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake" (1 Peter 2:13; see also Romans 13:1-5). Polygamy, under these circumstances, should not be practiced. But, if a believer lived under a government that recognized polygyny as a legitimate form of marriage, no one could Biblically condemn the man for having more than one wife.

    But bigamy is illegal in America only if one registers the second marriage with the state. Most states have no laws that forbid men to cohabit with multiple women. To quote another ostensibly Christian Web site where polgamy is advocated, "Bigamy is the criminal offence of registering a second marriage when a first marriage is still recognised. Polygamy can be practiced without breaking the law simply by registering no more than one of the marriages."
        By using a similar rationale, Darwin and his followers could easily justify polgamy and concubinage in their own cult. If they are not practicing it secretly already, they certainly hold no moral convictions that would keep them from doing so. When a narcissist with a predatory personality like Darwin's begins to advocate the keeping of concubines, that is just one more major reason to steer clear of the cult he has founded.

    A Theology of Hate
        Darwin and his cohorts love to talk about God's hate, and they hate to talk about God's love. They have turned the biblical picture of God's character on its head, so that the god they proclaim is a trigger-happy killer who generally hates humanity and delights in judgment and damnation. The posters Darwin displays in his public picketing typically say things like "Jesus Caused 9-11-01"; "God Kills"; "God is Angry"; and so on.
        In practice, this means Darwin thinks believers should be hateful, too. In his article on Kieth Green, Darwin writes, "Keith did not trust in the Lord. If he had, he would have hated Catholics, especially the priests." Darwin loves to quote Psalm 119:104, 128: "I hate every false way." He also quotes Psalm 139:21-22 to justify making people the object of his own human hatred. And the way Darwin teaches his followers to "hate"—including the way he himself models hatred—is an ungodly, unkind, philistine kind of hatred that is puffed up with egotism and self-conceit, and has no proper place in the lives of any of Christ's followers (see Matthew 5:44; Romans 12:14, 20-21; 1 Peter 2:23, etc.).
        In a message I sent to Al Soto I pointed out the group's undue obsession with hate, which is made even more notable by their almost complete silence about God's love or the believer's love for his neighbors. Mr. Soto replied, "OK, I miss your point here. God hates....right? That's what Scripture teaches. If God hates then.....uh....He is hateful."
        Converts to Darwin's cult often become overtly hateful to relatives and friends who express any concerns. According to close family members, the young wife of one convert was told by several men in the cult that she was a "whore, stubborn and going to hell with her baby if she did not move to Fish's church. She did not move. [She] is a young, tiny, woman with a baby. Three or four, counting [her husband], went into her home and took all her furnishings and fridge, and food from fridge, took the firewood outside, and left this girl who has been married only one year with a baby. [She is now living] with her unworking Mom and disabled stepdad, who lives in a one-bedroom unit."

    More Errors Yet to Come. . . ?
        Most cultists typically borrow their errors from historic heresies like Pelagianism, Socinianism, Arianism, and Gnosticism. Darwin seems to be inventing his doctrinal anomalies on the fly. Having already denied the Trinity and remade God in the image of man, Darwin would seem to have no reason to stop reinventing "Christianity." After all, Darwin has already repudiated every preacher and theologian in the history of the church as a "false teacher." That means there are absolutely no doctrinal moorings in his system. Darwin's interpretation of Scripture is subject to no rule but his own whims. So it remains to be seen how far from orthodoxy he will travel.
        In the meantime, it is not without significance that Darwin is spending his time trying to justify masturbation, attempting to build a case for polygamy, advocating harsh discipline of children, and continuing to condemn everyone who does not agree with him—while having little or nothing to say about Christ or the gospel. The Fish cult has attracted at least one convicted child molestor, two or more men who have abandoned their wives, and several other men who treat their wives like chattel. The men of the cult boast of their freedom to drink and smoke, while some of them are living in open disobedience to 1 Timothy 5:8. Wives and children are the most pathetic victims of this cult. It has become a fraternity for men who are worse than infidels (1 Timothy 5:8).

  7. In what sense is Darwin "factious?"

    Darwin's factiousness stems from his belief that all truth is equally portentous. His entire ministry therefore consists of straining at gnats while insisting they are camels, and while arguing fiercely that Scripture makes no essential distinction between the gnats and the camels.
        For example, in Darwin's assessment, someone who is in error about the mode of baptism or the timing of the rapture is as guilty of "heresy" as those who deny the deity of Christ or justification by faith. (This is no hyperbole. Both in his sermons and in our private conversations, Darwin has affirmed that this is exactly what he believes.) So people who err in any point (translation: those who disagree with Darwin)—especially people who refuse Darwin's "correction," must be exposed and pronounced damned.
        In fact, Darwin once taught that communion ought to be served with a common cup and a communal loaf. Those who served small cups and crackers were judged to be handling the elements in an unbliblical way and were anathematized for it. Darwin has since recanted that opinion, but he still regularly declares Christians hell-bound over similar picayune matters. His theology, his lifestyle, and his treatment of others are all utterly and completely without grace.
        The predictable result is that Darwin has cut himself off from fellowship with everyone who dares to disagree with him on any aspect of his teaching—in effect isolating Darwin and his congregation from the whole of Christendom. Darwin is neither shaken by this nor appalled at it; he is proud of it! He brazenly admits he cannot name anyone besides himself since the apostolic era who has ever understood and affirmed the real "truth" of Scripture. This does not matter to him, and he will tell you so with a smarmy, self-assured haughtiness. He despises every historic stream of Christianity. But instead of soberly viewing his renegade status as a matter of concern and a reason for self-examination, he regards it as an occasion for boasting! He is convinced that he is right and every pastor, theologian, and church leader he knows about—dead or alive—is simply wrong. If you disagree, Darwin will automatically consign you to the "hell-bound" category.
        Darwin declares, for example, that Charles Spurgeon, all the Puritans, and all other five-point Calvinists are false teachers, damned to eternal perdition for teaching "limited atonement." It is evident from Darwin's presentation, however, that he doesn't have the most basic understanding of Calvinistic doctrine, and he clearly does not even understand the concept of substitutionary atonement. On this point in particular—as well as on many things he makes issues of—he simply does not know what he's talking about.
        But it's clear that teaching what edifies is hardly Darwin's top priority. Nearly all the preaching and publications that emanate from "A True Church" focus on condemning other ministers—especially well-known ones. Darwin and Al Soto used to spam Christian Usenet forums with a "False Teachers List"—a list of well-known evangelical leaders under Darwin's anathema. He even paints his vehicles with condemnation of other ministers. Indeed, Darwin's penchant for labeling Christian leaders as hypocrites and heretics is virtually the trademark of his "ministry."

  8. Is it true that Darwin received pastoral training under John MacArthur?

    No. Darwin was once a member of Grace Community Church and briefly participated as a non-paid leader in the youth ministry. Instead of becoming a pastoral intern or following any of the established tracks for leadership training within Grace Church, however, he soon dropped out of ministry there and became a severe critic of the church, and of John MacArthur in particular. He began meeting not far away with a small group of followers who were willing to submit to his authoritarian style. He declared himself a pastor; he has never submitted to pastoral training or examination of any kind from any biblically-qualified elders.
        In 1994 Darwin was disciplined by Grace Church for brazen factiousness. He was first warned in accordance with Titus 3:10. He refused to repent, however, so he was excommunicated—publicly put out of membership in the church (the church's final recourse when a sinning member refuses repentance—Matt. 18:17).

  9. But Darwin has produced a letter where John MacArthur endorsed his ministry in 1993. How do you explain that?

    Darwin makes this claim: "[W]e have a signed letter by John MacArthur himself recognizing the ministry at God's Word Fellowship . . ."
        A look at the letter itself shows the reality behind this false claim. Darwin wrote to John MacArthur in 1993 suggesting that MacArthur was refusing to work with the underground church (unregistered churches who had met in secret during the Communist era) in the former Soviet Union. Darwin also sent MacArthur some of his material on Christmas, suggesting it is sinful for Christians to observe "pagan holidays" and arguing that Christmas is thoroughly pagan.
        John MacArthur's response was simply an extremely courteous reply to a letter many would have thought belligerent and accusatory. In paragraph 1, MacArthur answered Darwin's query about the underground church. In paragraph 2 he very kindly explained that he was too busy to read and respond to Darwin's diatribe against Christmas. (MacArthur also enclosed a copy of his book on Christmas as a gift for Fish.) Then in paragraph 3, he closed with a polite one-sentence signoff: "I pray that the Lord will richly reward your ministry to Him"—the type of standard closing MacArthur always uses with correspondents who identify themseles as pastors or lay ministers. Such an informal blessing is by no means an endorsement or recognition of the validity of all Darwin's activities. At the time, MacArthur knew little or nothing about Darwin Fish. In particular, he had had no exposure to Darwin's factious arrogance. Neither could he foresee that Darwin would abandon biblical Trinitarianism. As far as MacArthur knew, Fish was simply an overzealous but possibly teachable young man leading a home Bible study involving mostly his own family members. So MacArthur had no reason to withhold the standard blessing from the end of his letter.
        For Darwin Fish to latch onto that brief closing remark and publish it as a formal endorsement of him as a pastor or suggest that it represents John MacArthur's official "recognition" of his factious ministry style only reveals how far outside the boundaries of truth Darwin is willing to go to establish a false credibility. The fact remains that neither Grace Church nor John MacArthur has ever laid hands on Darwin Fish or endorsed the factious behavior he calls "ministry." Had Darwin pursued pastoral training or sought to minister under the actual oversight of our elders, a man of his character certainly would have been disqualified and removed from any position of leadership very early in the process. Perhaps he understood that, and that may explain why he ultimately entered the "pastorate" with no credentials but his own inflated view of himself—and no accountability to any duly constituted body of elders.

  10. Darwin claims he was disciplined unbiblically. Is this true?

    No. I was personally involved in Darwin's discipline; in fact, I initiated it. Here's how it came about: In the spring of 1994, we had a large influx of people joining Grace Church. On one Sunday evening in particular several hundred people joined in a large group. After the service that evening I went to the front of the church to greet some of the new members. There I overheard Darwin rather loudly telling a young woman who had just joined our church that John MacArthur is a false teacher, and that he was concerned for her soul, and that she should leave Grace Church and come to God's Word Fellowship—which, he assured her, is the only church in all of Southern California where the truth of Scripture is faithfully proclaimed.
        This was my first-ever exposure to Darwin Fish. My first impression was that he resembled Timothy McVeigh with a crew cut and a wispy goatee. I made some inquiries and found out who he was. I also discovered that he was still a member of Grace Community Church.
        The following day I phoned Darwin and asked for a meeting at The Master's College later that week. Meanwhile, I listened to several of Darwin's taped messages and discovered he was routinely making public accusations of heresy against certain elders of Grace Church.
        Two other elders from Grace Church were present when I confronted Darwin. I first reminded him that when he joined our church he took a public vow to submit himself to the leadership of the elders, to support and encourage them, and to participate in the ministry of the church (all in accord with the New Testament instructions to believers in Hebrews 13:17). I pointed out that as long as he retained his membership in the church, the vows he voluntarily took were binding. I suggested that he had rather blatantly broken the church covenant. I also told him it was the unanimous opinion of our elders that his actions were factious—and under Paul's instructions in Titus 3:10 he was subject to discipline if he failed to repent of his factiousness.
        Darwin refused, saying he would not respond to the charge of factiousness unless we were first willing to engage in debate with him about his specific accusations against John MacArthur. He claimed unless we first refuted all his claims from Scripture, we were not entitled to threaten him with discipline. I pointed out that Titus 3:9-11, the very passage that instructs us on how to deal with a factious man, explicitly forbids us to engage in unprofitable discussions with him. Our biblical responsibility was to demonstrate from Scripture how he has sinned, and call him to repent. This I did, reading aloud to him from Titus 3:9-11; Romans 16:17-19; Hebrews 13:17; Jude 9-16; Proverbs 16:27-28; Deuteronomy 23:21-23; and several other passages clearly showing that he was deliberately 1) violating a vow he had made publicly, and 2) being factious. Until he repented of those sins, we told him, we would not debate other points of theology with him. We assured him that If he repented of his sinful actions, we would discuss his theological concerns about the church's teaching as long as he liked.
        Darwin flatly refused to repent, claiming his membership vows were nullified because he believed our elders were guilty of heresy. The fact that he retained his membership in the church was, he insisted, a mere "technicality."
        We replied that we did not view a public vow to God as such a minor issue, and we pleaded with him to reconsider. We gave him a few days to think it through and pray about it. When he did not call within the next few days to say he wanted to repent, a member of our pastoral staff phoned him to warn him a second time about his factiousness, again in accord with Titus 3:10. When Darwin still refused to repent, it was publicly announced in our next communion service that he was being put out of the church (Matt. 18:17).

  11. Darwin claims he has never been shown where he was in error, and that the elders of Grace Church failed in their responsibility to reprove him "with great patience and instruction" (2 Tim. 4:2, NASB). Wasn't he disciplined rather quickly?

    Certainly 2 Timothy 2:24-25 teaches that "the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth." The elders of Grace Church were not unmindful of that injunction when they disciplined Darwin. I personally spent several hours pleading with Darwin, in that long face-to-face meeting, on the phone, and by letter. In each case I pointed out carefully to Darwin how he was in violation of God's Word. My letters to him (below) reflect the tone and nature of all my communication with him.
        What I consistently refused to do, however, was discuss the merits of Darwin's accusations against the various church leaders he had accused. As a matter of fact, 2 Timothy 2:24-25 appears in the context of this instruction: "Foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes" (v. 23).
        A simple reading of Paul's epistles to Timothy and Titus will reveal that many of his commands to these young pastors stress the importance of refusing to engage in endless discussions about trivial or insignificant matters (1 Tim. 1:4; 4:7; 6:4, 5; 2 Tim. 2:14, 16; Tit. 3:9). Since Darwin Fish denies that any point of truth can be trivial, all dialogue with him on matters of doctrine inevitably devolves into arguments about "foolish and unlearned questions" that are wholly unedifying.
        Furthermore, having patiently demonstrated to Darwin that his factiousness was a sin, we were bound by Scripture to reject him without engaging in further debate (Tit. 3:10).
        Nonetheless, I continued to pursue Darwin and attempted repeatedly to help him see the seriousness of his sin. Again, readers may examine the letters below and judge for themselves the spirit of our dealings with him.

  12. Don't you have a duty as an elder to give a biblical refutation of Darwin's doctrine (Titus 1:9)?

    I do and I have. What I have declined to do is engage in unprofitable disputes with Darwin himself and with those who are already sold out to his cult (cf. Titus 3:9-10; 2 John 7-11). I have replied to all earnest enquirers about Darwin's teachings, and on a few occasions I have gone to public forums where Al Soto was posting his spam, refuted him, and challenged him directly about his hateful bullying of people who are weak in the faith. His response invariably has been to exit the forum after posting one or two evasive or dismissive "replies." Although Darwin and his followers have issued many public dares taunting people to refute them, whenever someone actually does refute them, they instantly renounce the critic as evil and refuse further dialogue. They have thus been utterly unteachable and impervious to correction. For those who are interested in reading my dialogues about Darwin's teachings, I have compiled and posted a very long webpage showing the kinds of e-mails and public posts I have written in reply to those who seem genuinely confused by the Fishite doctrines.

  13. Is Darwin wrong about everything?

    Of course not. Even Satan himself isn't wrong about everything. Darwin's published critiques of popular evangelical leaders contain many valid points. It is true that we live in an age of people with itching ears (2 Timothy 4:3-4). Much of the popular preaching in so-called "evangelical" culture today is either woefully shallow, bankrupt of solid biblical content, or out-and-out heresy. The modern "evangelical movement" is by no means synonymous with Christ's true church. My own annotated Web links point out hundreds of fallacies that have gained popularity in contemporary evangelical culture. Some of these, according to the Bible, are damnable (2 Peter 2:1). In particular, we who love Christ are to have nothing to do with those who preach a different gospel (by altering the message of justification by faith or denying the centrality of God's grace—Romans 4:4-5; Galatians 1:8-9), or those who set forth a different Christ (by fatally corrupting the doctrine of the incarnation, diminishing Christ's deity, or otherwise redefining the Godhead—2 John 7-11; John 8:24; 1 John 2:22). But Darwin himself fails both standards, because his teaching nullifies the grace of God and fatally corrupts what the Bible teaches about the Godhead.
        Darwin is simply a wolf wearing a very shoddy sheep costume who takes advantage of those who are unwise, poorly taught, and biblically ignorant, in order to abuse and devour them. He is not a shepherd who is in any way qualified to lead and feed Christ's sheep. Whatever "truth" might be included in his message is so tainted with error, inaccuracy, illogic, vainglory, human speculations, and fleshly distortions that it is a seriously deadly poison. The proof is in the fruit it produces (Matthew 7:16-18): division, hatred, strife, seditions, heresies, contentions, outbursts of wrath, and the like. These are works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21). Meanwhile, the fruit of the Spirit ("love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, [and] self-control"—vv. 22-23) is virtually absent from the visible lives of Darwin's disciples.

  14. Who was Al Soto?

    Al was Darwin's chief minion and spin-doctor in the 1990s and through the first decade of the new millennium. He would dutifully echo whatever Darwin taught, and he desperately tried to paint Darwin's critics in the worst possible light—usually labeling them "lewd," "wicked," blasphemers," and "scoffers." He was Darwin's most ardent follower during the decade and a half when I was documenting Darwin's errors and abuses. Al was the one who got Darwin's teaching on the Internet. He used AOL, Usenet, and various on-line services to try to gain a forum. In the end, he mostly maintained and used the group's Web site to promulgate Darwin's views.
        Sometime after 2010, Soto broke with Fish. By then Al was running a coffee kiosk in Talequah, OK. He has not actually renounced all of Darwin's errors, embraced biblical Christianity, or expressed any kind of legitimate repentance. His split with Darwin seems to be over some intensely personal conflict, and the animosity between the two seems to be tinged with deep bitterness. Evidently, the lies became too numerous and too blatant even for a sycophant like Al Soto.

  15. What was "The Sojournal"?

    It was an electronic newsletter through which Al Soto distributed Darwin's diatribes on line. "The Sojournal" was superseded by the Web site, and many of the articles first published in "The Sojournal" are now archived on the Web site.

  16. Darwin and Al claim their Web site exposes Phil Johnson as a liar and a deceiver. How do you respond?

    First, I'm in very good company. Darwin Fish has also denounced virtually every man of God in the annals of church history as a liar and deceiver. I am frankly flattered to be categorized with men like John Calvin, John Owen, the Puritans, Charles Spurgeon, and John MacArthur—all of whom have influenced me greatly, but none of whom I am worthy to be compared with.
        Second, notice that Darwin seems incapable of believing anyone might ever be mistaken or miscommunicating. And he doesn't appear to recognize that language can sometimes be misunderstood or ambiguous. So when he reads or hears a statement he disagrees with, he immediately insists the other person is guilty of "lying," "deceit," "false teaching," or some similarly abominable misdeed. His Web site targets me in particular with a laundry list of ungodly accusations about "lying," "deceit," "slander," and truth-twisting. I have responded to some of his specific accusations by correcting or clarifying my own statements to remove ambiguities or unintentional inaccuracies. But Darwin's response in return was merely to suggest that I "changed some of [my] deceit"—ostensibly out of wicked motives.
        Here is one example of how unreasonable Darwin's incessant finger-wagging about "deceit" can be: In the original version of this FAQ, I wrote, "Darwin has been known to show up on Sundays in the Fishmobile at Grace Community Church, with his entire 'congregation' in tow. They stand on the streets surrounding the church . . ." The sentence contains an unintentional ambiguity: The participial phrase "surrounding the church" naturally modifies the noun closest to it (streets); but it could be read as if it modified the main verb of the sentence (standing). I meant it in the former sense: Darwin and his group stand on the streets and sidewalks that surround our church. Darwin insisted on taking it in the latter sense, as if I were claiming he had brought a group big enough to link arms and surround our church's entire campus at once. He wrote, "[We] stood on the public sidewalk near the front of the church. We in no way surrounded the church (it's too big!)." Since I had already stated that Darwin's congregation is a small, living-room-sized group, my meaning would have been perfectly clear to most readers. But Darwin insisted on citing his misconstrual of my words as "proof" of my "deceit."
        The truth is, if I wanted to reply in kind, I could accuse Darwin of "lying," because some of his followers have also stood and passed out their literature and insults from behind our church (not just "near the front" of it). But I'll extend him a courtesy he rarely extends anyone else: I'll assume his inaccuracy was neither deliberate nor essential to the point he was making.
        In any case, I do not intend to be goaded by Darwin Fish into wrangling about words to no profit. But I do invite readers to analyze his accusations carefully and notice that despite the harsh and insistent tone of his complaints about my supposed deceit and duplicity, his "proofs" are without any real substance. Notice also that he loves to nitpick about the incidental details of his critics' statements, but he consistently misses the big picture.
        Update: Apparently, sometime after 2001, Mr. Soto quietly removed most of the material "exposing" my "lies" from his Web site. Perhaps it was pointing too many prospective converts to this FAQ, where they were fueled with questions Soto and Fish had difficulty answering. I'm not certain what led to its removal. I certainly never complained about their little "expose." I am quite willing to wear any odium they want to pour on me (Matthew 10:25-26). Meanwhile, click this link for a reply to an article that remains on their site, titled "Our Side of the Story."

  17. What is the Fishmobile?

    Darwin used to drive an old full-size sedan with a wooden plank bolted in place of the rear bumper, featuring a hand-lettered sign condemning John MacArthur, James Dobson, Charles Swindoll, and other popular teachers. Also prominently hand-lettered on the wooden "bumper" was Darwin's toll-free telephone number 1-800-HOW-TRUE. The Fishmobile must have given up the ghost in the mid 1990s.
        Darwin's next vehicle was a well-worn large-capacity passenger van that earned the nickname "Fishmobile II: The Beast." Unfortunately, Darwin took full advantage of the van's larger side-panels for more and bigger hand-lettered signs. The vehicles were a perfect metaphor for the awkward and unightly reproach Darwin and crew bring on the name of Christ.
        In the mid to late '90s Darwin, would occasionally show up on Sundays in The Beast at Grace Community Church, with his entire "congregation" in tow. They would stand on the sidewalks near the church, yell hateful slogans branding Grace Church's leaders false teachers, and distribute anti-MacArthur literature to people arriving for the services. This practice ended abruptly after one Sunday when Darwin's wife tested the security staff's words of caution about observing the boundaries between private church property and the public sidewalks. She quietly sidled away from the Fish protestors and attempted to enter a building at the church (ostensibly to use the restroom). She was was arrested for trespassing. Darwin was furious, claiming Grace Church wasn't playing fair with him. But the security team's hard-line stance had the desired effect: the Fishites never returned to Grace Church.

  18. What happens if I call the toll-free number?

    You'll get a recorded message from Darwin, warning you against having itching ears and urging you to join him in hating every false way (Ps. 119:104). If you call at the right time, he may personally answer the phone. If not, he promises to call back if you leave your name and number.

  19. Where can I find out more about the Fish cult?

    There isn't much well-researched information on line, unfortunately. In 2002-3, FACTnet had an active forum (more of a free-for-all, really) to discuss the Fish Cult. The discussion was started by a dear, anguished woman whose son had abandoned his young wife and infant child in order to move to the Fishite compound. An archive of the forum is still online. See: the "God's Word Fellowship/A True Church/Darwin Fish" forum on Factnet.
        Al Soto and a couple of Darwin's other henchmen joined the fray there, but soon left when called to account for the cult's unbiblical excesses. The forum was further marred by undocumented hearsay, deliberately abusive posts (on both sides of the discussion), and one rather persistent guy who thought the forum ought to be shut down completely because he was convinced it is just not nice to argue about anything.
        But in the midst of the melee a number of interesting and disturbing facts emerged about the rather unique culture of Darwin's sect. "A True Church" began to acquire the piquant aroma of "The Jerry Springer Show."

  20. Can I have permission to reprint and distribute parts of this FAQ in order to warn people about Darwin and his cult?


  21. What about your written correspondence with Darwin?

    Before the following letters were posted publicly, Rick Miesel claimed he had read my letters to Darwin and found them "scurrilous" (i.e., "given to the use of vulgar, coarse, or abusive language; foul-mouthed"). Readers may judge for themselves whether Miesel was telling the truth. (Darwin himself copied and distributed my letters to him, so I'm not violating any etiquette by making these public.)

                                 5 April 1994

Darwin Fish
God's Word Fellowship
Green Valley, CA  91350

Dear Darwin,

     I'm replying to a couple of letters from you.  One is
the letter you wrote Jerry Wragg on March 18.  The other is
a letter dated March 22 that you have mailed to a number of
Grace Community Church members, including some elders.

     I want to state as clearly as possible for you that
what we appealed to you to repent of is your factiousness.
According to Titus 3:10, we are commanded to "Reject a
factious man after a first and second warning."  Factious,
according to the Oxford English Dictionary, means "given to
faction; seditious."  Seditious is defined as "engaged in
promoting disaffection or inciting to revolt against consti-
tuted authority."

     The Greek word translated "factious" is hairetikos,
which means simply "causing division."

     Darwin, you publicly accused the duly constituted
elders of our church after you had taken an oath to support
this church and its elders--and you did so without personal-
ly speaking to any of these men first.  Moreover, the charg-
es you have made are of the gravest sort.  You have accused
godly men of teaching damnable lies--false doctrine for
which you suggest they will be condemned eternally to hell.

     You made those charges in a public forum outside the
church, then brought your tapes and divisive accusations
into the church and spread them among young believers, new
members, and other vulnerable people.  I personally over-
heard you talking to a woman who had joined Grace Church
only moments before.  You were telling her that John
MacArthur is a dangerous false teacher to be avoided.  And
you were standing at the foot of the pulpit when you made
those statements!  You are a textbook example of factious-

     When Lance Quinn, Jerry Wragg, and I confronted you
about these things we explained all this to you in detail.
Your letters give the false impression that we did not
sufficiently make these things clear to you.  Your letters
are filled with other lies, misrepresentations, and
distortions of the truth that need to be corrected.

     In your letter to Jerry, you stated, "Jesus was very
factious with His teaching."  That is simply untrue.  In no
sense was He "factious."  When he denounced the Pharisees'
unbelief, he did it to their faces (cf. Matt. 23:13).  He
did not make Himself a member of their group, publicly vow
to support them, act as if he were a member in good standing
in their congregation, then skulk around attacking them and
accusing them in other forums.  He did not make railing
accusations against anyone.  Your tactics bear no relation-
ship whatsoever to His ministry.  It is offensive that you
would attempt to draw such a comparison.

     Also in your letter to Jerry, you said this:

     All of you would be a much greater help to a man like
     myself if you could show from the Word of God that what
     I have said (not the way I went about saying it), is
     not true. . . . I would like to encourage you toward
     one thing.  The next time you get someone claiming John
     MacArthur is a false teacher, care enough about the
     man's soul to show him from the Word of God that he is
     wrong in his conclusion (not wrong in his mannerism,
     unless dealt with secondarily).  Because that is what
     would truly benefit him the most, and lead him to the
     knowledge of the truth.

Darwin, we did not discipline you for your "mannerism" or
your methodology.  We disciplined you for your factiousness.
We did show you from Scripture where you were wrong: Titus
3:9-11; Romans 16:17-19; Hebrews 13:17; Jude 9-16; and
Proverbs 16:27-28.  I read all those verses aloud to you in
our meeting.  You refused to heed them.  You showed contempt
for the Word of God where it applies to your own sin.  We
are therefore commanded by Scripture to reject you (Titus
3:10).  To dispute with you about specific points of doc-
trine while you remain unrepentantly factious would be use-
less and unprofitable (cf. Titus 3:9).  If we engaged in
that form of dialogue with you now, we would be in violation
of God's clear commandment.

     In other words, we are concerned for your soul--and
in a far more solemn sense than you evidently realize.  You
brought railing accusations against various leaders of our
church in violation of 1 Timothy 5:19.  You profaned the vow
you made publicly when you joined the church.  You have sown
conflict and discord in the body of believers.  You have
tried to set church members against their leaders.  Strife,
disputes, dissensions, and factions are works of the flesh,
according to Galatians 5:20.  We cannot, and will not, over-
look your sinful factiousness in order to engage you in
further disputes and controversies about points of doctrine.
If we did that, we would be sinning.

     All of that brings me to the misrepresentations that
need to be corrected in your March 22 letter, which has been
distributed by mail from you to members of Grace Church,
some of whom have told me they do not even know who you are.
In this letter, you state:

     The only "factious" thing I have done is that I have
     exposed John MacArthur's erroneous teaching publicly
     (via my taped sermons to the congregation at God's Word

Not true.  You came to Grace Community Church on the night
we admitted 400 new members, drew one of them aside after
the service, then stood at the front of the church for an
extended time making your accusations against John MacArthur
loudly enough that I overheard you.  No reasonable person
would deny that your behavior that night was factious in the
extreme.  Now by mailing letters that distort the facts to
church members whom you don't even know, you are simply
proving what a factious man you are, and heaping more guilt
upon yourself.

     The leadership at Grace caught me in a manmade doctrine
     of church membership (since I was still "on the books"
     as a member).

Wrong.  You voluntarily joined Grace Community Church and
vowed before God and the entire congregation to support the
church and submit to its doctrine and leadership.  You
knowingly kept your membership active; I know this because
at the beginning of our meeting with Jerry and Lance, you
stated that you were a member.  You were very aware that you
were still on the membership rolls.  We did not entrap you
in any way.

     Furthermore, our charge that you violated your vows is
not based on any "manmade doctrine."  Scripture says, "If a
man makes a vow to the Lord, or takes an oath to bind him-
self with a binding obligation, he shall not violate his
word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his
mouth" (Num. 30:2).  "When you make a vow to the Lord your
God, you shall not delay to pay it, for it would be sin in
you, and the Lord your God will surely require it of you.
However, if you refrain from vowing, it would not be sin in
you.  You shall be careful to perform what goes out from
your lips, just as you have voluntarily vowed to the Lord
your God, what you have promised" (Deut. 23:21-23).

     Do you think those verses do not apply to you?  You
could have freed yourself from the membership vow at any
time by withdrawing your membership, but you did not.
Again, we plead with you to repent of this grievous sin
against God and renounce your factious behavior.

     In our meeting I pointed out to you that you had never
been faithful to your duties as a member of the body at
Grace Community Church.  Although you joined the church at
least a decade ago, you never involved yourself in any
ministry that gave you any degree of accountability to the
elders or the duly constituted leaders of this church.  You
claim that for many years you respected John MacArthur as "a
godly man whose example [you] desired to follow."  Yet for
all those years you avoided direct accountability to John
and all the other elders and ministry leaders.  Why?

     You also write,

     If a pastor of a church can not examine and expose
     publicly what he feels to be dangerous doctrine taught
     by another pastor in the area, then we are again under
     a Protestant popery.

That is a baseless allegation.  As I noted above, you have
been unfaithful as a church member.  For you now to claim
for yourself the prerogatives of a pastor is sheer effron-
tery.  We have called you to account for your actions as a
member of our church.  We do not recognize any pastoral
authority that you may have usurped for yourself.  If you
felt God was leading you to be a pastor, why did you not
seek some form of ministry under the elders' oversight?  Is
it not one of the qualifications even for deacons that they
"first be tested; then . . . serve as deacons if they are
beyond reproach" (1 Tim. 3:10)?  How much more crucial is
it that an elder (or pastor, as you call yourself) first
prove himself before he takes on the role of spiritual
overseer?  You failed to prove yourself in any regard during
your years in membership here.  You have no right to demand
that we now recognize you as a pastor.

     But the most galling and fallacious portion of your
letter states:

     But, the worst part about it is this, THEY COMPLETELY

Darwin, that is simply a lie.  I told you several times that
I was "willing to discuss doctrine with you all day," if you
would first repent of your factiousness.  I personally
promised to answer every one of your allegations against
John MacArthur, Wayne Mack, and Lance Quinn if you would
acknowledge your sin in having tried to undermine church
leaders whom you had vowed to support.  In fact, one of our
chief points to you was that if you honestly felt these men
were sinning, you should have confronted them personally
with your allegations before you attacked them publicly (cf.
Matt. 18:15).  Once you made your charges a divisive matter
within the church body, however, the principal issue that
needed to be dealt with was your sin of factiousness.

     You add this misleading comment:

     They asked me to recall the tapes stating I was wrong
     in the manner in which I presented the material.  They
     explicitly stated they were not asking me to recant on
     the tapes' content.

That badly misrepresents what we said.  First, we explicitly
stated that we had listened carefully to your allegations
and were convinced that you were in error on virtually every
point you made.  We also explained that Scripture forbade us
at this point from engaging you in a doctrinal dispute.  We
pointed out that you had violated Scripture by being fac-
tious (not simply in the "manner" of your presentation).
And we made it clear that we were asking you to repent of
all your factious behavior.  We stated that we were not at
this time insisting that you recant on the points of doc-
trine.  We said this to underscore the fact that we were not
attempting to use the threat of discipline as leverage to
gain your acquiescence to our doctrinal convictions.  But we
repeatedly stated that we believe your teaching itself is
seriously in error.  We pleaded with you to repent of your
factiousness precisely so that we could discuss the points
of doctrine you had raised.  Your refusal to repent despite
clear biblical proof of your own wrongdoing left us with no
choice but to reject you, in accordance with Titus 3:10.

     Darwin, I did not know you, or even know of you, until
that night when I overheard you proselytizing a new member
at the front of Grace Church.  Since that time, several
people who evidently do know you have come to me on their
own initiative with even more concerns.  I have been told
that you frequently beat your children until they are
bruised.  (Perhaps that explains your obsession with John
MacArthur's supposed lack of emphasis on "the rod.")  I have
been told that you sponge off other people, even to the
point of living in their homes, and that you have never held
a steady job that would support your family.  (If that is
so, you are worse than an infidel, 1 Tim. 5:8.)  I have
heard that you dominate the lives of your "disciples" and
exhibit some of the same characteristics we saw in David
Koresh, Jim Jones, and other cult leaders.

     I do not yet know the facts behind those accusations.
I do not say they are true.  I pray that they are not.  I am
even willing to assume they are false until I see proof to
the contrary.

     But many aspects of your character I have observed
firsthand are consistent with that of a cult leader: your
pattern of avoiding accountability, your inflated view of
your own spiritual importance, your bizarre applications of
Scripture, your refusal to obey Scripture where it clearly
applies to you, your willingness to make railing accusations
against godly men, your underhanded methods of beguiling
naive and unsuspecting church members into your sphere of
influence, your proclivity to ad hominem attacks on the
most visible church leaders, your penchant for deceiving and
twisting facts (as you have shown in these two letters),
your disdain for authority, your self-willed behavior, and
your factiousness.  Notice how many of those same character-
istics are spoken of in 2 Peter 2 and Jude, where they are
applied to the lowest variety of false teachers--dogs who
lick their own vomit, and pigs who wallow in their own muck
(2 Pet. 2:22).

     Darwin, as I told you that day we met, I fear for your
soul.  God is graciously calling you to repentance.  You
have been put out of the church.  According to Matthew
18:18-20, heaven is in agreement with our verdict against
you.  I plead with you not to harden your heart.  "Therefore
repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that
if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven
you" (Acts 8:22).  Don't remain in the gall of bitterness
and the bondage of iniquity.

                      Sincerely in Christ,

                      Phillip R. Johnson
                      Elder, Grace Church

14 August 1994 Darwin Fish God's Word Fellowship Green Valley, CA 91350 Dear Darwin, Thank you for the tape you sent last month in response to my request for your teaching on justification by faith. I listened to it immediately but have been so bogged down with an editorial deadline that I am only now able to take time to respond. Please forgive me for the delay. While the tape itself barely touched on the issue of justification, what you did say about justification sounded orthodox. I was grateful for this, because as I mentioned, I believe Scripture makes the distinction between the true gospel and "a different gospel" hinge on the doctrine of justification by faith. This is, in effect, the central message of the entire book of Galatians and of Romans 4. (And Romans 4:4-5 clearly makes justification by faith the doctrine that separates true believers from all others.) As I said, you made only a passing mention of justification by faith in your sermon. I want to encourage you to contemplate the centrality of this doctrine in relationship to all gospel truth. You have asked me to show you where your teaching is in error, and while I will not engage in any kind of doctrinal debate with you while you remain unrepentant about your factiousness, I do want to suggest that you should reflect deeply on the significance of justification by faith, because it goes to the heart of what seems to make you so factious. You tend to view every error as a fatal heresy. It seems that if someone even uses a term like "self-esteem" in any context other than a critique of the self-esteem movement, you automatically label that person a heretical false teacher and damn him to eternal destruction. I detest the self-esteem cult with all my heart, but I'm not willing to consign to the flames of hell every teacher who casually speaks of "self-esteem." If a man preaches the gospel of salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone--acknowledging the supreme authority of Scripture--he is a brother in Christ, although he may be in error on other points of doctrine. It is one thing to disagree with or even sternly rebuke such a person (cf. Gal. 2:11), and entirely a different matter to pronounce a sentence of eternal damnation against him. You have not carefully distinguished between doctrines that are fundamental and those that are peripheral. Consequently, you are often in the position of condemning those whom God has justified (cf. Rom. 8:33-34). That is a grievous sin, and I urge you to examine your heart on this. Francis Turretin, in volume 1 of his Institutes of Elenctic Theology, includes a very helpful section on distinguishing between fundamental and incidental matters; also Herman Witsius has a chapter on this in volume 1 of The Apostles' Creed. John MacArthur's next book, Reckless Faith, due for release this fall, will also have a chapter that deals in depth with the question of which matters are fundamental. If you're interested, I will give you a copy of the book when it is released. Meanwhile, Darwin, I urge you again to examine your heart on these things. I fear for the discipline God will subject you to if you harden your heart against the discipline the church has placed you under (Heb. 12:5-6; Matt. 18:17-20). I know that many besides me have warned you about the symptoms of pride that reveal themselves in your preaching, your demeanor, and especially the way you have responded to the elders of Grace Church. Please ponder thoroughly these repeated warnings which God in His goodness has enabled you to hear. Sincerely in Christ, Phillip R. Johnson Executive Director

1 September 1994 Darwin Fish God's Word Fellowship Green Valley, CA 91350 Dear Darwin, When your letter arrived, I was in New Zealand. A large stack of correspondence was waiting for me when I returned, but I want to respond at length to your letter first of all. It contains a number of significant misunderstandings that I am eager to clear up. First, at no time have I stated that you are on your way to hell. Unlike you, I am content to leave such judgment to Christ. "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son" (Jn. 5:22). You evidently feel free to intrude into an office reserved for Christ alone; I do not. What I have said consistently is that I fear for your soul because of the way you have hardened your heart against church discipline. Our Lord said He is in agreement with the verdict of a church of believers acting in His name (Matt. 18:18-20). That certainly ought to make you tremble as the time draws closer when you will stand before His throne to give an account. But it is He who will judge you in that day; I in no way wish to usurp that prerogative here and now. That is perfectly consistent with my statements about justification by faith. If you truly believe in Him who justifies the ungodly, He will reckon your faith as righteousness, no matter how inconsistent your present behavior is with perfect righteousness (Rom. 4:5-8). The key question is whether you truly believe. Certainly your failure to heed the discipline of godly elders seems to call the reality of your faith into question (Matt. 18:17)--but I am quite content to leave all judgment to the One who knows all the secrets of your heart (Ps. 44:20-21). Second, I did not say that justification by faith is the only test of whether someone is in the faith. But it is certainly the most telling doctrinal test. Many people believe in the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the authority of Scripture, yet remain outside the true household of faith. (This is surely the spiritual state of millions of Roman Catholics.) Scripture does not promise eternal life to people who believe in those doctrines--unless they are trusting in Christ alone as their righteousness. That was the point you evidently missed in my reference to Romans 4:4-5. This passage clearly makes justification by faith the watershed between true faith and unbelief. It states plainly that all who believe in the true Christ alone for their justification have righteousness reckoned to them. They are genuine Christians. God justifies them. We can safely conclude, therefore, that justification by faith, properly understood, makes the difference between heaven and hell. Indeed, that conclusion is confirmed by more than just these two verses. It is the whole point of Romans 3:20--5:21, as well as most of the epistle to the Galatians. See also Luke 18:9-14 for our Lord's teaching on the importance of justification. This is certainly not to say that justification by faith is the only doctrinal test of true faith. The faith that justifies encompasses all other essential doctrines. You cannot consistently affirm justification by faith and deny the deity of Christ, for example, because the perfect righteousness essential to our justification hinges on the truth that Christ is God in the flesh. There are many other fundamental doctrines besides justification by faith and the deity of Christ that are essential to true faith. How do we know which truths are fundamental? They are identified as such by the Bible it- self. The deity of Christ, for example, is plainly marked as a fundamental doctrine (1 Jn. 2:23). Likewise, the bodily resurrection of Christ is said to be essential, precisely because our justification depends on it (Rom. 4:25; 1 Cor. 15:14). We could add several other articles of faith that Scripture expressly classifies as necessary for true faith (e.g., Jn. 14:6; Heb. 11:6; 1 Jn. 1:6, 8, 10; 2 Jn. 7). Ultimately, they all center on justification by faith, because this is the very heart of the gospel. That is why it is the doctrine that cults and false teachers inevitably attack. The curse of Galatians 1:8-9 is leveled at those who would corrupt this very doctrine. Numerous passages of Scripture can be cited to prove that justification by faith is the sine qua non of sound doctrine (Rom. 3:27-28; Gal. 2:16--3:29). It was an error on this very doctrine that was at the heart of the apostasy of the Jewish nation (Rom. 10:3-4). This is precisely why John MacArthur has publicly attacked Robert Schuller's self-esteem teaching but has refrained from placing James Dobson in the same category. Schuller's teaching deliberately and explicitly denies human depravity and justification by faith. He has clearly abandoned the fundamental doctrines of Christ. Dobson, on the other hand, affirms justification by faith, human depravity, the deity of Christ, the bodily resurrection, and the inerrancy of Scripture. We disagree strongly with Dobson's self-esteem teachings and his reliance on psychology. (This is abundantly clear from John MacArthur's writings.) But unlike you, we are not prepared to ascend the Great White Throne and consign a man to eternal doom who declares that he trusts Christ alone to be his righteousness and who affirms every doctrine Scripture says is essential to eternal salvation. "Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns?" (Rom. 8:33-34). Darwin, you are far too eager to pronounce doom and damnation against people who testify that they trust in Christ alone. Doesn't it concern you that you may be damning people whom God has justified? I am astonished at your declaration that "the Bible makes no such distinction" between fundamental and peripheral doctrines. That statement, it seems to me, betrays the reason for the appalling lack of discernment that underlies virtually all your errors. If you really mean what you seem to be saying, it would be impossible for genuine believers ("especially after they have been exposed to the truth") to disagree on any point of doctrine. Are you saying that Presbyterians who have been exposed to Baptist arguments yet persist in sprinkling babies are therefore on their way to hell? Do you believe that all are eternally doomed who hold to a different eschatalogical scheme from the one you deem true? Are you suggesting that all evangelical Arminians are headed for a Christless eternity? Those are judgments that go beyond any pronouncement of God's Word that I am aware of. Are you certain you want to elevate yourself to that height? If not, you must acknowledge that not everything Scripture teaches is of equal importance. On some issues people can be wrong without peril to their salvation. This is clearly affirmed in Scripture. Romans 14, for example, a chapter you would do well to master, contains an in-depth exposition of this truth that you claim is nowhere found in Scripture. Paul could have settled matters that remained questionable among the Romans by a simple apostolic dictum. Instead, he called for charitable forbearance on all peripheral matters: "Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions" (Rom. 14:1). This surely lays down the principle we ought to follow in all matters not explicitly identified by the Bible as essential doctrines. (Here Paul is talking about things as significant as Sabbath observance and dietary laws, certainly prominent issues in the Old Testament economy.) Regarding such issues the apostle Paul ultimately says, "Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind" (v. 5). And, in a verse I urge you to take to heart, he writes, "But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God" (v. 10). First Corinthians 3:11-13 also makes a distinction between the foundation and that which is built upon it. There Paul indicates that many will build with wood, hay, and stubble. He is not describing unbelievers who attempt to destroy the foundation, but believers who build on that foundation with shoddy materials. All their wood, hay, and stubble will be incinerated in the purifying judgment. The one who has employed such materials will see his work burned up. "He shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire" (v. 15). One of the rather serious errors of the Pharisees was that they confused the fundamental and essential (the moral law) with the peripheral and changeable (the ceremonial law). They substituted the latter for the former. Like them, you seem to place more weight on the peripherals than you do on the essentials. That is why I sincerely rejoiced to hear that you do believe in justification by faith alone. But I am still grieved that you give this truth, the very heart of the gospel, such scant emphasis in the aggregate of your preaching. One final misunderstanding persists in what you say, despite the fact that we have covered this ground repeatedly. You were not disciplined "just because a division occur[ed] as a result of [your] actions." (As far as I know, no serious division has occurred within Grace Church because of you.) You were disciplined for attempting to draw people away from Grace Church while you were still a member here. You disseminated tapes and written accusations against the men God placed in leadership over the church where you kept your membership. You publicly labeled several of these men heretics without first sharing your concerns privately with any of them. You did this in flagrant defiance of the vow you once made in the presence of our whole congregation that you would love, encourage, and support these men as leaders duly ordained by God. I don't know of a Bible-believing church anywhere in the world that would not discipline you for that. You cited 2 Timothy 2:24-26 against the way we have dealt with you. I would advise you to back up one verse and read 2 Timothy 2:23: "But refuse foolish and ignorant specu- lations, knowing that they produce quarrels." Your failure to obey verses 23-26 is precisely why we had to initiate discipline against you. And in accordance with Titus 3:10, we were forced to reject you after a first and second warning. Several times you have made the statement that the word translated "factious" (hairetikos) in Titus 3:10 refers to doctrinal heresy rather than divisiveness. Therefore, you say, we are obligated to refute "the issues [you] have raised against MacArthur's teaching." Please allow me to respond to that in two ways. First, John MacArthur is not under discipline; you are. A discussion of the merits of your accusations against him would in no way resolve the charges that your design in airing those accusations the way you did is manifestly factious. As I have told you repeatedly, when you confess and repent of your factious- ness, I will discuss whatever concerns you have about John MacArthur's teaching for as long as it takes to resolve those concerns. Second, hairetikos and its cognate hairesis both come from the primary verb haireomai, meaning "choose" (cf. Phil. 1:22). Hairesis appears nine times in the New Testament and is translated "sect" (Acts 5:17; 15:5; 24:5, 14; 26:5; 28:22), "heresies" (2 Pet. 2:1), and "factions" (1 Cor. 11:19; Gal. 5:20). As you can tell from those verses, it can, and often does, encompass the idea of destructive false doctrine. But there are other times (as in the 1 Cor. 11:19 reference) when it simply refers to the needless separation of brethren into warring factions. The root meaning of the word is the idea of division, not false doctrine. In fact, false doctrine is labeled heresy precisely because of its divisive effects. Hairetikos is found nowhere in Scripture except Titus 3:10, where the context describes a person who creates unnecessary divisions and strife between Christians by stirring up foolish controversies that needlessly separate brethren or rip the ecclesia asunder. Look up hairetikos in Colin Brown, or any of the standard New Testament dictionaries. The mark of the factious man's error is that he tends to draw his followers off into a faction, or sect, where they isolate themselves from the rest of the body of Christ, spurning the brethren who will not follow all their factious leader's pronouncements. That, Darwin, is exactly what you have done. Since you insist that every doctrinal question is fundamental, you don't see any controversy as worthless or unprofitable (cf. 3:9). To you, every nuance, every point of dis- agreement about doctrine, even every variation in emphasis is a matter of eternal significance. That perspective has made you both factious and proud. You have asked me to show you your error from Scripture. I have done so again and again, and you have consistently refused to hear. You say you want the truth, yet when confronted with your sin, you refuse to repent. You broke a public vow you made before the whole church, but you shrug that off as "a technicality." Scripture does not treat this so lightly (Deut. 23:21; Eccl. 5:4-5). In my April 5 letter to you I documented several lies in the letter you were distributing. You ignored the facts and continue to disseminate the same lies. You acknowledge that many others have confronted you about your pride. Yet your response is arrogance rather than mourning (cf. 1 Cor. 5:2). It seems clear enough that you have no intention of yielding to what the Bible demands of you. You insist that we must first defend John MacArthur against your factious accu- sations. And thus you only compound your sin with further arrogance. This is at least the third lengthy letter I have written you. In each case I have appealed to you carefully from Scripture. Yet you insist that you have been disciplined without being shown where you are in error. You continue to mail your accusations to people all over the country who have no involvement in any of these issues (thus further demonstrating your factiousness). Many who have received your mailings have written to ask us for the truth about your accusations. I want you to know that wherever it is necessary to answer questions you have raised in people's minds, I will distribute copies of the letters I have written, so that people can see the true basis of the appeal we have made to you. I see no need to keep my corre- spondence with you confidential if you are going to continue to widen the circle of involvement through your mass mailings. Perhaps you cited 2 Tim. 2:24 because you don't feel we have corrected you gently enough. Please forgive me if anything about the manner of my approach has been a stumbling block to you. I have frankly struggled with whether sharp rebuke or gentle entreaty is the most appropriate way to deal with you (cf. 1 Cor. 4:21). Realizing the gravity of the sin of factiousness, I have tried to appeal to you as I would my own brother (1 Tim. 5:1). My sincere desire for you is that you would see your sin, repent, and be restored to full fellowship with us. I have been deeply grieved by your response--the hardening of your heart, the puffing up of your pride, and the theatrics of your campaign to distribute your broadsides against the elders of Grace Church. How can you justify these things biblically? Do you really imagine that the Lord is pleased by what you are doing? Like Paul, we rejoice and will rejoice whenever Christ is preached, however ill the motive of the preacher (Phil. 1:15-18). That's why I was encouraged greatly to know that you affirm the doctrine of justification by faith alone. Again, however, I would suggest that this crucial doctrine deserves much, much more prominence in your preaching than you are currently giving it. In all your messages that I have listened to, the only place I have heard you refer to justification is on the tape you sent after I expressly asked to hear your teaching on that doctrine. Your comments about justification were very brief, barely an offhand reference in what was a very long sermon. I think you spend so much time attacking others that you often forget your first task is to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ. Surely justification sola fide is an infinitely more weighty eternal issue than a lot of piffle about whether John MacArthur might here or there employ a word that you believe has psychological overtones. Since John has repeatedly and vigorously condemned the doctrines of psy- chology and self-esteem (for a recent example, see his book The Vanishing Conscience, especially chapter 4), your public attacks on him as a purveyor of humanistic self-love amount to little more than "a morbid interest in controver- sial questions and disputes about words" (1 Tim. 6:4). Objective hearers who have read or listened to enough of John MacArthur's teaching immediately recognize your factiousness. Unfortunately, those who are undiscerning or unfamiliar with John's message are confused and misled by what you say. I offer these things with a final appeal to you to repent of your factiousness and your arrogance against men of God whom you once vowed to love, encourage, and support. I don't intend to write you again until you have dealt with your own sin against the body of Christ and the leadership of Grace Church. Reading this and my previous letters to you, I believe I have given you ample evidence from Scripture that you have sinned and need to repent. As long as you choose to continue in your sin and justify yourself, Scripture is clear about the course we must take (Tit. 3:10). Sincerely in Christ, Phillip R. Johnson Elder, Grace Church